For those that care...(Miami related)

[gcdevil22]

And what I'm saying to both of you is that I don't want our program stuck in "yay, we won the ACC Title for the 8th time again, we're so great"-land, as some programs are.

If you plan well enough to win a national title--the ACC titles will of course come. But, if you plan for your team to be "just" good enough to win the ACC, then that's all you'll ever do. I want a guy who's focus is building a national contender from day one. If you build a national contender, conference titles will come with ease. Honestly--even if VT or another ACC team had went undefeated through their whole season and won the ACC--no way in hell they're going to Glendale to play for all the marbles.

If the conference step is so important, why was Miami winning titles as an independent back in the 80's? Because they scheduled well enough to have a strong schedule worthy of that consideration, and because they went out and built the best **** team they could, regardless of what everyone thought. For example--there were guys like Randall Hill that said they didn't care if they went to the Orange Bowl but didn't win a national title or whatever--they took the rings from winning that game and gave it away to some chick at a party. The only rings most of those guys kept, were the national titles b/c those were the ones that mattered. I want that mentality back in our locker room.

I may be irrational to some of you when it comes to this, but while I can be happy about the things Miami does throughout a season, if we don't win a national title at the end--it's a disappointment to me just like it was to those guys like Randall Hill.

I want a head coach with that same mentality. The CFB scene has changed since back then, but the plan shouldn't be that much different.

you're assuming that Beamer hasn't built a program with the focus on winning a national title...that's dumb

VT doesn't go out every Fall with the hope that we can somehow win the ACC...we had hoped with a win over Boise it would put us squarely in the mix for the national title...if not, then why play teams like Alabama, LSU, USC, Boise St, Nebraska out-of-conference? if you're only looking to win the ACC, why even bother to schedule those games

VT expected to win the ACC...that's a fact...they were the pre-season favorites and had the target on their back and ran through the conference unscathed

this notion that VT is a program that focuses on winning the ACC and that alone is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard...second only to the notion that the Miami players or coaches didn't give a **** about winning the conference, and are somehow above winning the conference because of past greatness

you want a coach who wants to win national titles? that's a groundbreaking theory, as there aren't too many coaches out there who have that goal...I mean, at least 99% of the ones I know only want to have good enough seasons to get bowl eligible...none of them can even fathom dreaming big enough to win the national title...that's an interesting idea...one I'm sure Beamer has never thought of

it seems to me your line of thinking is you'd like to skip a whole bunch of steps on the way back to the top...and if anyone within the program at Miami shares your sentiments I'm sure there will be many more Meineke Car Care Bowls in your future

you want to go from having never won the conference (and only been close once or twice) straight to National Champs...all the while, not giving a **** about the ACC title along the way

so have fun with that...I'm happy to see Al Golden on that list...it would be nice to beat up on the Hoos in 2 games each year instead of 1

[CoeburnCane]

None of you get it at all.

I can be happy winning the ACC, but to be continually striving to get good enough just to win the conference--that I can't abide by. Miami hasn't had a coach capable of doing anything more than coming close to winning the ACC Coastal in the past 2 hires, and we haven't even done that yet. If we have a coach that's less focused on "rebuilding" and more focused on "this is what wins national titles, this is how we're going to do it", then ACC titles and being a serious MNC contender will come.

I want a coach who's greater goal is the national title and doesn't expect anything less. The company line I kept hearing out of Coker/Shannon was "we're trying to build this program back and it's going to take time". That may sound like solid coach speak, but all it was was a built in excuse for when they did, indeed, end up failing. I'm sick of father figures, I'm sick of guys who toss coach speak out there, and then make excuses like throwing their players or assistants under the bus when things don't go well.

And Drew--save the holier-than-thou condescending VT crap for someone else. You guys have a national title case that's EMPTY in your locker room. Beamer's got the right idea, but there simply is still something left that he hasn't gotten fixed yet. Now, whether it's him, his staff, the way they recruit, or something else--he still hasn't found it yet. Kudos to him for trying--I won't knock anybody for that.

However, to continually talk about how many ACC titles one has won, and take utmost pride in that, it signals to me that on some level--that's good enough for him. If Beamer ever got really upset over another ACC title and finally said something to the effect of, "this ACC title is nice, but man--sooner or later, we have to start winning national titles", I'd be impressed, and you guys would probably win one if he made that the goal. There's a certain drive he's lacking, to me, and if he'd ever exhibit it, maybe that empty title case wouldn't be so empty.

And that--in a nutshell, is why I don't want a Beamer type. I don't want to continually be teased into feeling like I'm a national title contender b/c of multiple ACC titles under my belt, only to be kicked in the nuts yearly when we don't. There aren't many of those coaches in the nation who are the guy that can take you past conference titles and into serious national title contention, and as good as Beamer is--he's starting to slip into that territory of "good, but not good enough". I don't want to get stuck with a coach like that. I want to get an elite coach who has that something extra to get us into serious contention. When we get that--ACC titles will come easily, and national titles will be the main concern.

All of that is ultimately why I'm not sold on a hire like Tuberville, Golden, or Edsall. All of those guys seem to be that "good, but not good enough" type. Could one of them build us up to win the ACC? Sure. Could one of them win a national title? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. That's why I wanted a guy like a Petersen, Leach, or Gruden. Those guys seem like to me the guy that could win a national title.

[gcdevil22]

Beamer has continually said that his goal is to win the national title...I don't know where you're getting that he's complacent with winning the ACC

winning the national title does take lots of skill...but also lots and lots of LUCK, just ask Clint Stoerner

[Biggin]

None of you get it at all.

I can be happy winning the ACC, but to be continually striving to get good enough just to win the conference--that I can't abide by. Miami hasn't had a coach capable of doing anything more than coming close to winning the ACC Coastal in the past 2 hires, and we haven't even done that yet. If we have a coach that's less focused on "rebuilding" and more focused on "this is what wins national titles, this is how we're going to do it", then ACC titles and being a serious MNC contender will come.

I want a coach who's greater goal is the national title and doesn't expect anything less. The company line I kept hearing out of Coker/Shannon was "we're trying to build this program back and it's going to take time". That may sound like solid coach speak, but all it was was a built in excuse for when they did, indeed, end up failing. I'm sick of father figures, I'm sick of guys who toss coach speak out there, and then make excuses like throwing their players or assistants under the bus when things don't go well.

And Drew--save the holier-than-thou condescending VT crap for someone else. You guys have a national title case that's EMPTY in your locker room. Beamer's got the right idea, but there simply is still something left that he hasn't gotten fixed yet. Now, whether it's him, his staff, the way they recruit, or something else--he still hasn't found it yet. Kudos to him for trying--I won't knock anybody for that.

However, to continually talk about how many ACC titles one has won, and take utmost pride in that, it signals to me that on some level--that's good enough for him. If Beamer ever got really upset over another ACC title and finally said something to the effect of, "this ACC title is nice, but man--sooner or later, we have to start winning national titles", I'd be impressed, and you guys would probably win one if he made that the goal. There's a certain drive he's lacking, to me, and if he'd ever exhibit it, maybe that empty title case wouldn't be so empty.

And that--in a nutshell, is why I don't want a Beamer type. I don't want to continually be teased into feeling like I'm a national title contender b/c of multiple ACC titles under my belt, only to be kicked in the nuts yearly when we don't. There aren't many of those coaches in the nation who are the guy that can take you past conference titles and into serious national title contention, and as good as Beamer is--he's starting to slip into that territory of "good, but not good enough". I don't want to get stuck with a coach like that. I want to get an elite coach who has that something extra to get us into serious contention. When we get that--ACC titles will come easily, and national titles will be the main concern.

All of that is ultimately why I'm not sold on a hire like Tuberville, Golden, or Edsall. All of those guys seem to be that "good, but not good enough" type. Could one of them build us up to win the ACC? Sure. Could one of them win a national title? Highly unlikely, in my opinion. That's why I wanted a guy like a Petersen, Leach, or Gruden. Those guys seem like to me the guy that could win a national title.

No, you dont understand what Stripes and I are saying.
Every coach at a big program is trying to win the national title. Thats the ultimate goal for all big time coaches, winning it all.
But teams just do not jump from 7 wins to winning titles in a year. You have to build the program up, bring in better recruits, develop talent better, motivate the kids better, before you can expect to win a title.
Let's face it; the Miami cupboard is not overflowing with top shelf cookies anymore, its got a couple good cookies and the rest are non-fat wheat thins. A coach will not walk into Miami and win a national title next year, it just wont happen. There is simply not enough there to win a title with the talent there.

So you have to get a program back to the level of competing for conference titles, getting all those 5* recruits, being a national power by taking steps up the ladder. You seem to think that a team can just leap to the top, that never happens. You have to get there first. A coach has the goal of winning a national title, of course. No coach is gonna go in and say they only want to win the ACC, thats silly.
But you have to be able to win conference titles before you can win national titles. A good coach can do that. Tubberville, Edsall, etc.. have proven to be coaches who can win those games.
And like I've said, once you start competing for conference titles, have the Miami program back into the top 5, then you can honestly say you can plan to win a title.
But you seem to want a magic wand, for a coach to be hired then magically make Ed Reed and Clinton Portis-type players appear and win a national title in his first year. That does not happen, anywhere. A team has to be built to win national titles, it doesnt just happen. And to build a contender, you have to win big games, make those strides as a program.
It does not happen overnight.

And the part in bold; what has Leach or Peterson ever won that Tubbs or Edsall hasnt? Leach never won the Big XII, much less ever competed for a national title. Peterson the same. How many BCS rings do they have?
Thats my point. A national title is much, much harder to win now than it was in the 80's when Miami was an independent and didnt need a conference to win a title. Now, that will not happen. There is so much more talent spread out, so many more good teams that can beat great teams on an off night, etc.. So winning a title is a much more difficult task, and a guy like Tubberville, who has won the SEC before and build Auburn up to a national title contender (in 04, when they got screwed out of title game), has been there before, and has more experience at a top program than Leach (who has 0 Big XII titles) and Peterson (never coached at a BCS school).

[Biggin]

Update on Malzahan;

Apparently Vanderbilt has offered Gus a SEVEN year deal guaranteed for $19 million dollars, roughly $3 mil a year.

WOW!

[The_Sage]

Sounds like Vandy may be tired of the CELLER DWELLAR name. Interesting..

[CoeburnCane]

I'm not asking for a magic wand. I'm asking for a focus towards winning national titles, and a coach who knows what it takes to get there--Coker nor Shannon had that. I know that it won't happen next year. I'm not expecting a national title within the next 5. I just want a guy who will develop us enough to make the ACC an afterthought and our focus be on national titles on an annual basis. I want to get there ASAP, but I realize it's gonna take some time. I'm not that stupid at all, and thanks for giving me credit to the contrary, by the way.

Tuberville got screwed out of a title game, but that was years ago. Can he ever get back there, even at Miami? I don't think he can, but that's my opinion versus yours that says he can.

I feel that Leach/Petersen have the attitudes and ability to be one of those guys who can take a program to the national title. For Petersen to come that close at Boise, speaks volumes to me. For Leach to do the things offensively that he did at TT with the leftover recruits from the west of the Big 12 says a lot too.

Tuberville's at TT now, and he has the same situation that Leach had there. I really feel that Tuberville's 7-5 would have been 9-3 with Leach at the helm, had he been on solid footing w/no controversy and the likes of what caused his departure from there. I feel if you give Leach the same team that Tuberville has had at any point in his career--he does better.

[Rich_Kotite]

Just give me Gus. I'll get on my knees and give Kirby Hocutt a BJ if he will hire him. In Gus I trust!

[The_Sage]

Leach is too much of a HOTBED right now. No one will hire him while all his legal proceedings are still going on. He has some personal problems that would only lead to lots and lots of problems at the U. It would be the re-incarnation of THUG...

[Biggin]

but its much easier for Peterson to beat San Diego State and New Mexico than it is for Tubbs to beat Oklahoma and Nebraska (or Alabama and LSU in the SEC).
Peterson is a great coach, and may be the next UF coach, he would be a solid hire. I think he can do great things.

but Leach, I just dont see it. I dont see him doing better in the situation Tubbs is in. Of course he does better at TT this year, its his kids who have been running his system. But put Leach in Auburn in 08, with none of his kids and no kids accustomed to running his system and see how he does.


but thats the problem with Leach. He is so focused on one side of the ball, recruits one side of the ball more, sets his team up to play one side of the ball, that it leaves much to be desired on the opposite side. Great teams have balance; you cant outscore every opponent every week, eventually you need a defense to get a couple stops. Even Oregon and Auburn this year have had to rely on defense to win games. Auburn's D beat Alabama, Oregon's D beat Cal.